10,000 hours of Subliminals

[TheDondada]

Well I stumbled across this article and it reminded me of the 10,000 hr theory.

 

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/blog/10000-hours-of-practice/

 

It states that masters have at least 10,000 hours of focused practice in any area. So applying that to subliminals it would be wise to listen to a subliminal for 120 days for 12 hours a day or 240 for 6 he's in order to get 10,000 hours of programming. That way the byline sheath can be thick and dense in that neural pathway corresponding to that subliminal.

 

But we forget to take one detail into account which is that the subliminal is going to overwrite a program that took 20 years to get to. The pathways for the negative beliefs are extremely dense so we probably need more than 10,000 hours of programming to get a firm solid belief.

[amazo]

Thanks for putting this in a perspective with greater vividness

i have pondered this connection in the past...

now to apply in more!

[Light]

Mantra recitation is said to produce siddhis (supernatural powers) after 11,000 repititions. That seems to be around the 10k theory. It would make sense. That being said these things require concentration, which means you're actually putting work in. Subliminals on the other hand is simply relaxing, visualizing, and laying back. I remember there being an Electrokinesis video on Youtube. One of the guys who listened to it was terrified because he had no control over it. I imagine the subconscious mind unlocked it but consciously he has no knowledge on what's going on.

 

I only use subliminals now to invoke behavioral changes and not much else. It seems to be the most practical application, as the subconscious can understand the power of say, hard work, or time management... but beyond this there would be limitations. And for imposing a permanent behavioral change, I don't feel it would take 10k hours. 

[TheDondada]

Yeah, I use it mostly to change my behavior and limiting beliefs about life and change how people respond to me.

[Athena]

Interesting points!
I don't think it's possible though for some of us to do 12 hours a day.  Some of us work places where we are not allowed to listen to things and I don't sleep very many hours, (all my life I only seem to sleep 5-6 hours!) though sometimes I do play things then.  But I do what I can.  And, yes repetition and consistency are helpful!

If you sleep a lot of hours and or work in a place where you can listen to music by all means listen to as much as you can NOT if using machinery etc though!  I only have a few hours at home too but I think we do what we can. 

[dorfmeister]

I keep wondering how effective subliminals can be during sleep. I have had subkiminals and audible affirmations running continuously in my home now for 3.5 years without a break. Has it been effective? Yes, but nowhere close to the level I had hoped for.

[firekid1331]

It's varies on how the statements are designed. Some statements could be counter productive... Think of it in terms engineering the mind or teaching a kid on how to operate a bike... I am thinking of creating a type of subliminal with the style of project bluebird.

[ye777]

I keep wondering how effective subliminals can be during sleep. I have had subkiminals and audible affirmations running continuously in my home now for 3.5 years without a break. Has it been effective? Yes, but nowhere close to the level I had hoped for.

you're overworking ur brain . use subs for 1-3 hours a day not the whole day.

 

it's like muscle and bodybuilding , you don't see people lifting weights all day long or scientists researching about topics all day long or ur body working 24/7 (sleep) , everything needs a rest.

[dorfmeister]

I get breaks when I am not in my home, but I am not sure if it is necessary or not. We are pretty much constantly being stimulated by something. Might as well be something positive we've chosen.

 

I spent 90 minutes in a float tank on Sunday. That was an interesting experience but certainly not one of complete sensory deprivation. So it really wasn't a break but more of just a change of stimulation.

[dorfmeister]

What is "Project Bluebird"?

[ye777]

I get breaks when I am not in my home, but I am not sure if it is necessary or not. We are pretty much constantly being stimulated by something. Might as well be something positive we've chosen.

 

I spent 90 minutes in a float tank on Sunday. That was an interesting experience but certainly not one of complete sensory deprivation. So it really wasn't a break but more of just a change of stimulation.

 

tbh  i had results / still having them to my schelude.

whenever i overuse a sub it seems to work other way around it / stops working.

every person his his own thing i guess, but if you listened 3.5 years and still haven't had the results you want than it's a  problem either within you (intentions, visualizaion,relaxation, energy blockages) or within the sub.

 

i'm not really an expert i've done this for less(or more) than 1 month now and had great results so far.

 

but if u wanted %100 answers u should pm george hutton (admin) he's the owner and a certified hypnotist

[Athena]

Again, I've wondered about during sleep too.  I'm working with something else during sleep when it's finished I want to do some of George's ones.  Because I'm not allowed to listen to anything at work, it's not a job that lets you do that.  I guess I can listen a bit at home too.  Can I have them in the background, like during a game or TV show? 

[dorfmeister]

All I can go on is my own experience. It is counter-intuitive to me that less listening is better. I guess I don't believe I will get better results listening less. I may have different standards for "results" than another person, too. I am not saying I didn't get results or got the opposite of what I was aiming for, but rather found the results less impressive than I had hoped. Just started a couple of days ago with the Hutton tracks. Will see what manifests.

[Jorel]

In NLP we learn that there are 4 stages of learning

Unconscious incompetence (stage 1) -  we don't know what we don't know -  I don't know if there is a  planet somewhere in the universe with humans on it besides earth.

Unconscious incompetence (stage 2)-  we know what we don't know - I know I don't know how to play the piano

Conscious Competence - (stage 3)-we know how do something if we think about it - I know the alphabet and the order it which it is sang

unconscious competence (Stage 4)- we are so good at something we need not think about something to accomplish it. - I know how to tie my shoe, but I do not remember doing it this morning although my shoes are on my feet and tied now so I must have tied them since they have laces.

 

Now the 10,000 hours rule is referring to unconscious competence. 

But it only takes a second or a few seconds at most for us to realize stage 2,

And only about 20 hours to achieve stage 3 conscious competence. according to Josh Kaufaman TEDx youtube

Now if we really listen to the rule of 10,000 that was first created by Dr. Anders Ericsson only to be simplified by Malcom Gladwell we would find that

Expert performers acquire their superior performance and skills through extended deliberate practice (high concentration beyond ones comfort zone)

Is listening to subliminals high and concentration beyond ones comfort zone?

If we watch and listen to the TEDx 10,000 hours by Laura Isaac we find that we need to fail and that a masters failures out number the novices total number of attempts.

So how do we fail if we are only listening to subliminals and if we are not failing and not concentrating beyond ones comfort zone then can 10,000 hours be enough to reach Stage 4 unconscious competence?

[dorfmeister]

I would just like to add that for those who say I am just listening to subliminals my job requires me to do at least 6 hours a week of public speaking to large, often indifferent, groups. I also am involved in improv comedy on a regular basis that involves performance in front of audiences. Would not one expect radical shifts and transformations where large amounts of energy are being placed and risks are being taken?

 

How does one "only listen to subliminals" in life? We do not exist in a vacuum. Life seems by its very nature to be about putting one in new situations and experimenting, adjusting, and shifting behavior.

 

What is the function of the subliminal? If someone is having massive results with subliminals what is your exact behavioral protocol to maximize effects in life?

[dorfmeister]

I often hear people theorize but I'd like to hear specific protocols of behavior from those who have ALREADY experienced radical rather than subtle benefits fron the use of subliminals.

 

I have put a lot of time in. I take risks in life and do things that push the boundary of my comfort zone. I have honestly reported.

[Jorel]

Bluebird was a cold War Mind Control Experimentation approved by the CIA funded by the CIA, Army, Navy, Air Force, and by other agencies including the Public Health Service and the Scottish Rite Foundation on April 20, 1950. In August 1951, the Project was renamed ARTICHOKE. BLUEBIRD and ARTICHOKE included a great deal of work on the creation of amnesia, hypnotic couriers, and the Manchurian Candidate (Super Spies)

 

In summary Bluebird is described as unethical experiments conducted by psychiatrists to create amnesia, new identities, hypnotic access codes, and new memories in the minds of experimental subjects

 

Now I am pretty sure that no one here is not thinking of doing something unethical, but am curious as to the techniques that one would use from project bluebird in order to create more effective subliminals.

[firekid1331]

I can tell you by expirence that they do use a single tone along with Certain instuctions/lectures , using a am/fm transducer of some sorts.. When i was first exposed to it , i felt like i was in a daze... I moved away from tregetory range As soon as i realized the weapon was being used on me..

The use a certain brainwave signature to embedded the commands/lectures into different regions of the subconscious mind.

 

The hypnotic keyword for amnesia for me is "the pizza is ready" i was lucky to catch the embedded scripts before they fully activated... But my mate has forgotten most things and has terrible memory to the point she can't remember any even that happened 1 week ago... The technology does in fact work and can be overrided.. I use the repressed memory subliminal counteract it... However i see so much potential in that type of programming to truly go forward in true mastery of ourseves or anything we desire... So much potential of creating a more peacefull and harmonizing civilization where all can live.

[firekid1331]

Greada tready...

[firekid1331]

However i can see the potential for that type of technology to be used to master thier own mind... Reversing any and all type of limiting belifes to reach a positive life

[firekid1331]

Or it can be used as a self healing cammands (^.^) inner healing and repairing our own energy bodies (^.^) ding

[firekid1331]

I am have question jorel... If you knew those effective techniques the cia and others use to mind control others , would you use it to better the lives of people? I would ... I admire how they learned to effectively find a way to reach directly to the subconscious mind however it is very concerning on how they use it.

[firsthelix]

you're overworking ur brain . use subs for 1-3 hours a day not the whole day.

 

it's like muscle and bodybuilding , you don't see people lifting weights all day long or scientists researching about topics all day long or ur body working 24/7 (sleep) , everything needs a rest.

 

Not sure if this is true. With subs you intend to override old beliefs and therefore you must "overwork" your mind. There is another well-known online site selling subs. The instructions for most programs are to listen to them for at least 8hrs in a 24hrs period (including sleeping time) for 9 months (3 stages at 3 months). If you fail to spend this amount of time on more than a day, you would need to add those days to the total length. If you missed it 3 days in a row, you would need to repeat the whole program from the beginning. For me, this kind of dedication is almost impossible to implement and that actually brought me here. I find it interesting that obviously the technology George is using enables results in different time periods with far less endevor. But to be honest, this is just an assumption since George hardly participates in the forum. It would be beneficial to letting us know more about this, so we could apply this to a more effective use.